Topic on Glossary talk:Controller

Marioysikax (talkcontribs)

So, basically the "spinning camera" issue is pretty universal thing, but because it's so universal and is 99% of cases caused by controller of some sort, that's why I put it into controller article and simply linked from game specific articles and steam community discussions to controller article. And that is why first note was "if not used, unplug" as that's the most easiest way to fix the issue if you weren't going to use to controller to play that particular title. (though now that the title is changed, all those links are broken)

In some scenarios it would also make menus scroll the menu items automatically (if assumed right stick is also used for menu item selection) or if game had literally zero deadzone on controller, that's why only calibrating may not help. That's why so specific titling as well as it's not exactly controller acting randomly, it's controller acting correctly but showing really specific behaviour with camera because of games controller detection and bindings. This however is problem with many many many titles and usually descriped as camera spinning issue (just google "steamcommunity camera spin" and you can get tons of results for tons of differend games) so that's why I also used it as SEO thing.

Jims video was first one that came to mind to demonstrate the issue clearly without need to record footage myself, latest game that has tons and tons of complaings about camera spinning is Dr. Langeskov, The Tiger, and The Terribly Cursed Emerald: A Whirlwind Heist.

I also somwhat disagree on removing points that why the issue happens and having x360ce mentioned as primarily fix (won't work at all in most scenarios, that's why it was last fixbox). Reason why I think wiki is good place for this kind of thing is for users to actually aknowledge why the issue is happening. "Do it exactly like this" is the youtube video/blogger approach which only leads to user relying on that singlurar, maybe worse/outdated fixing methods they saw/read about, instead of knowing why the thing happens, what the fix does and what to do if it gets broken/outdated. "Do it like this" is also the reason why so many sites and people still recommend MotionInJoy for PS3 controllers.

E: Overall article does seem bit cleaner, even though first reaction to 100+ edits in couple days will be really intimidating.

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

This is not really related to the post above, but just an editing related thingy.


I'll just add that I simply cleaned it up, I really don't know everything about every single issue so just add back anything which needs to be added back, and move what's bad somewhere else, or remove anything that's bad. I was simply trying to remove those walls of text and I was trying to give a real purpose to the page, I often cannot really test everything in these pages seeing as it would take me too long, or I don't have what I need to, so I simply re-write the existing contents of the pages for the most part, which other users have left behind. I don't have time to read this post right now seeing as I have to do a thingy but I'll read it tomorrow.


Also I only made that general section at the top seeing as I didn't know where to place it, and I called it General seeing as I didn't know how to split up the Windows\Linux thingy so I just added them togheter. So like any other utilities which are available on multiple OSs can be placed under the General section, anything OS specific on the specific OS sections, I wrote this in a rush so idk if it's clear.


TL:DR: I just cleaned the page up, I don't really know what you are talking about, you'd have to speak to the other editors who added these infos I gathered after cleaning the pages, if not then just fix whatever bothers you. I mean I do understand, but I just wish people would stop blaming me for all this stuff, it happens way too often when I cleanup pages, but I kinda expect people to help me a little bit, sorry, I'd like to correct any bad infos but I don't have what I need for some stuff.

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

-Snip- Wait no I got it wrong, ehh the formatting on these pages sucks.

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)
I also somwhat disagree on removing points that why the issue happens and having x360ce mentioned as primarily fix (won't work at all in most scenarios, that's why it was last fixbox). Reason why I think wiki is good place for this kind of thing is for users to actually aknowledge why the issue is happening. "Do it exactly like this" is the youtube video/blogger approach which only leads to user relying on that singlurar, maybe worse/outdated fixing methods they saw/read about, instead of knowing why the thing happens, what the fix does and what to do if it gets broken/outdated. "Do it like this" is also the reason why so many sites and people still recommend MotionInJoy for PS3 controllers.

I really do not remember what I removed, and that X360CE thing was mentioned by someone else so I left it in, the page was a clusterfuck so I kinda got lost while cleaning it up, so add, whatever needs to be added back. Some other editors left other conflicting infos.

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

Okay I understand why I'm so god damn confused. I'm sorry but these fixboxes are way too vague and general to anyone else but you. You really need to improve them a little bit, if I didn't find them clear then other users will most certainly not find them clear either. http://i.imgur.com/dhN7CXP.png

RaTcHeT302 (talkcontribs)

Right now I am extremely confused about most of the things you said, I really thing you kinda get sometimes too lengthy with your wiki explanations in the articles, and to the average guy and even me "see game-specific article" is extremely vague, I literally have no idea what to look for if you tell me that, that's a god awful solution\fixbox, I thought that was supposed to be a link originally. The sections are also really weird, I still have no idea how you even wish to approach this, the way you explained it is really confusing to me.

Mirh (talkcontribs)

In 100% of causes it's caused by "whatever thing a game is reading inputs from".

Aside of this, as I was saying here it all depends on what you consider "norm". Game being pedantic or controllers being off-center?

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Ok, I'm kidding, of course the problem is game working unexpectedly (and while you can play deadzone-aware games with digital controllers, the contrary is awful).
And having no care of deadzones is game-specific then, so absolutely it should be mentioned in each page.

And in Controller page too. For as much as probably no XInput game suffers of this issue (given testing happened with X360 controller).
Still mentioning x360ce (or Durazno, or omikron fix, or this, or whatever) is worth. And same, and even more, in the DirectInput case.

Mirh (talkcontribs)

Ladies and gentlemen, if you could please test this allegedly universal (and for once, open) DirectInput fix, while I'm convicted to this away-from-desktop time... thank you.

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